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4/20 6pm TJ's Jersey City, NJ Meeting :: Report!
Pleased to report on Tuesday's Jersey City, NJ Coffee Party meeting @ TJ's Corner (55 Mallory Avenue). Tommy played inimitable CP host, and while I was the only official guest on this occasion, we decided our "homework" would be to do more outreach for the next meeting. TJ's owner Tommy says he wants to host a meeting every two weeks. I'm in.
We spoke to four or five folks who came in the shop about the Coffee Party ideal of civil discourse, and they seemed genuinely interested.
We talked about CP focus and strategy.
We ended the evening hopeful for the future and committed to the cause of civil discourse.
Here's a link to this meeting's page:
http://org2.democracyinaction.org/o/6500/p/salsa/event/common/public/ind...
Here's a link to a video we made:
http://blip.tv/file/3517395
Check back for future meetings.
Thanks, Tommy.
March Against Gov Christie's Cuts
Dear NJ Coffee Party,
This summer, I want to organize a series of marches (mainly of young people) against NJ Gov. Christie's education and disabilities aid cuts. I know we need to tighten our belts but there are other methods: http://www.politickernj.com/editor/38063/legislator-proposes-plan-elimin.... As you know, enrichment, music, art, foreign language programs, etc. will be cut under Christie's current policies. These programs are crucial to students' development. In addition, these cuts have also forced many towns to raise property taxes.
I'm currently working on the logistics and planning with my professor, who is a famous/experienced Czech dissident. Details to two marches:
1. 4:20pm, Wednesday June 2nd in Hackensack (where I live); from Bergen Academies to County Government Buildings
2. 5:40pm, Thursday, June 3rd in New Brunswick (where Rutgers main campus is)
I want to have at least 200 people at each event to make this BIG. If successful, we will be making the news, influence New Jersey elections this fall, and bring about real, long-lasting education reform.
If anyone is interested to learn more or can help us out, please let me know!
Thank you for reading,
Simon Li
simon.li@dynopolitics.org
New York University 2012
4/20 6pm TJ's Jersey City, NJ Meeting?
Just wanted to confirm that this meeting is a go...
CP HOW/WHERE/WHEN CONFUSION?
Seems like a lot of NJ folks are confused about the where/when/how of CP.
Here's a link to WHERE/WHEN -- enter your zip code to find out if there is a CP meeting already scheduled near you:
http://org2.democracyinaction.org/o/6500/p/salsa/event/common/public/sea...
Here's a link to HOW (Local Organizer Toolkit) -- If there isn't already a meeting in your neighborhood, start one, it's up to you to make it happen. It seems you don't need any blessings from above, either. Just do it :)
http://org2.democracyinaction.org/o/6500/p/salsa/web/common/public/conte...
Meeting or not?
Is there an actual Coffee Party in NJ or not?
Lots of people "talking" (and selling a book!! ... JP Sayles post), but no real
action.
So.
Where is the NJ meeting?
NJ Topics
Although this is a NJ forum, it seems to me that our topics should be about national issues, not NJ issues such as property taxes. Am I correct or am I missing the point?
This is just a huge forum with no current organization. I believe this is going to change in the near future.
Now the points are: What are the important topics for the Coffee Party? Which is most important? Can we get agreement on a solution or direction?
Monmouth
Hi! Is there anyone in Monmouth, Ocean or Middlesex county who is also a Democrat and a possible coffee drinker? It would be nice to find fellow thinkers.
Monmouth U student here...new
Monmouth U student here...new to coffee but seem to be liking it, ill sure be drinking more in the future. Definitely left leaning as well. I am more for logical pinpointed regulatory solutions that help the people who really need it.
Monmouth
Yes, I am in Eastern Monmouth, on the Shore
in Central New Jersey, Democrat, far left!
So...
Is there some form of leadership, for this group?
Any meetings scheduled?
Or, do we just start ourselves?
Shall we??
wondering
I'm trying to find a group in NJ also. How do we find out who the leader is? Every group started somehow, so if we are serious about participating, "we" have to get started. I live in Sussex County and know a couple of people in this area, but "we" must choose a location, date and time and Show UP.
I'm willing to work with others. I want to get started!
Interested
I'm in Vernon and I'd be interested if there are any plans for a meeting.
Me too!
I'm in Sussex County as well and know others that would be willing to get involved. Jennyellyn, if no one else has made the decision I say that we just do it and publicize the heck out of it on facebook and here to get others involved. What do you think?
I'm ready
Do you know the coffee shop on RT 94 in Vernon? It may be an apropos place. Can you invite others to join a Sussex Cty. group? We can set a date, place and time when we have a few people who are willing to a meeting. I know a few people who would be interested.
Let me touch base with my "peeps"
I don't know the place, but if you can give the name, it's shouldn't be hard to find something on as major a road as 94. I'm going to send out some emails in the next day or so and see who will commit. I'll be back in touch as soon as I hear back from them.
Proposed increase in mass transit fares
Christie ran on a platform of no increase in gas taxes. I guess he is a supporter of our dependence on foreign oil. He wants NJ citizens to use as much gasoline as they want while making it more difficult (transit cuts) and expensive for citizens to use environmentally green public transportation. This is a step backwards. We need better mass transit not less.
Ideal, New Subject Matter for the Meetings
Fellow Citizens,
I may have stumbled upon the answer.
I have authored a book that explains a specific strategy to regain control of our federal government. Though listening carefully, I’ve heard of no other solutions being offered so far. The book includes as yet unspoken analysis, entirely unique perspectives, a full explanation of the logic leading to my conclusions and a step-by-step plan that could enable the masses to re-establish control of our Federal government. Here's a sample
Votimate Our Politics
Our country needs a new way of doing business. Under the current system politicians have many motivations. This strategy could reduce their need for multiple motivations. This strategy could help create a system where politicians are:
Votimated
Politicians Motivated for Votes Only
PREFACE
We’ve heard from the Politicians, the Pundits, the Experts and from all of those who can buy a platform from which to speak, yet nary an answer for that which ails our country. Clearly it is getting worse with no end in sight. Perhaps it is time to hear from “Joe Public.”
I can’t say that I speak for the 99%, but I come from the 99% and after losing everything, perhaps even the bottom percent. How can the 1% get away with robbing and causing such harm to the 99% when the 99% of us control the vote? Armed only with the logic of a layman and the urgent need of a pauper I drilled down deep into this dilemma and made some discoveries that might be worth hearing.
The first several chapters offer unique, unspoken perspectives, intended to expose, categorize, organize and simplify the basic core issues within the bigger issue, our politics, or more specifically, our lack of effective governance for the 99%. The next several chapters offer unique comparative analysis, completely “out of the beltway” ideas and surprisingly possible solutions to the core problems. The final few chapters include stunning, previously undisclosed analysis exposing clearly why we must take action soon - and what the result of taking action could mean for us.
This is not just conceptual. I propose specific action. This is “nuts and bolts.” This is “what’s the next step”, a potential roadmap to restoring a government that works for us, the 99%. Restoring our democracy is the only issue worth talking about. Until we adapt and upgrade our political system, the 99% will continue to lose. Until we do, nothing else matters. Without a functioning government, we have nothing.
INTRODUCTION
I’m not experienced with politics and have no education in economics. Like many, I’ve lost everything and see little happening to bring me hope while watching our country implode seemingly like never before. This is saying a lot because at 54 years old, I survived the horrific Richard Nixon 30,000-dead-to-get-re-elected-war/impeach-a-crook-Watergate era.
Many of us are in need of hope. They say that need is the mother of invention. America is in need of solutions. While most solutions to complex issues include in-depth analysis and long explanations, true also in this case, like most straightforward arguments, mine too has a short answer. So I’ll cut to the chase and work my way backward.
In January 2010, while watching the disturbing display of the four “Too Big To Fail” banksters acting innocent and clueless in front of Congress, I found myself wondering, “How can our country become as successful as these corporations have become?” Even more to the point, how can we, Joe Public, benefit from our government like their shareholders benefit from their successful banking corporations? After all, who would argue that those corporations have pimped our system and punked us all? We know it. They know it. Everyone knows it.
Simply put, it is an industry licensed by, governed by and residing in the United States of America that has become more powerful than the Federal Government of The United States of America. That’s a mouthful. Other than two senseless wars, this is the worst realization of my lifetime. It’s huge. It cannot be overstated. It is bleeding us dry and I don’t see it changing on it’s own. It has stolen our Democracy. But what on earth can we do about it?
The status quo approach would be to peck away at it with legislation that will start with good intentions, but with powerful lobby bribes end up watered down, rendered ineffective and/or reversed by the next congress and administration. First, it is: our political/governing system needs an overhaul from the bottom up. It no longer works, which begs one of many questions, “which specific part is broken?”
To that purpose, I analyzed the differences between how the Wall Street banksters and health insurance providers do business from within their system – the free market corporate model – and compared it to the way the U.S. Government, does business from within our current political/governing system. I drilled down deep and what I found astounded me and might surprise you too. They are very different. Ergo, it’s the differences in the two structures/systems that allow the banksters and insurance providers to be so successful while operating from within theirs and what makes our government fail while operating from within ours, which allows private industry to dominate us.
By comparing the structures side-by-side it became obvious; the deficiencies in our system of governing are glaring and alarming when compared to their adapted, efficiently incentivized system. Upon identifying it the ultimate question arose, “how can we fix it?” The answer to fixing it is surprisingly obvious and has been readily apparent all along, despite the requisite in-depth analysis and long explanation disclosed herein.
My argument’s short answer is to propose applying elements of their successful free market corporate model to our system of politics and governance and we, Joe Public, should be rewarded like shareholders of a successful corporation. Once you go to this simple, logical perspective fantastic advantages naturally arise benefiting the citizens of America, not just the chosen few as it is now. On the following pages I will propose specific, step-by-step methods to reigning in the parasites.
Paradigm Shift
In my view, we can’t expect this type of “system overhaul” perspective and change to come from – or to be driven by – politicians fighting for their careers within our broken system. Ever since special interest groups have been counting profits in the billions, maybe even trillions, they’re far too powerful and already own our political/governing system.
If ever a “grass roots movement” were needed, it is for this “paradigm shift.” The 99% must conceive and drive this change and do it soon or our beloved country will implode from the unintended consequences of insatiable special interest capitalism. So let’s take a page from those who are doing it to us and make it work for us. With the strategy outlined herein, “we the shareholders” can take our government back from special interests.
United and armed with this plan, we can simply insist.
To find out more, visit votimate.com. I have lowered the cost for the “download” format to my cost only, $1.49, through Friday, March 12. You can find the “download” option just under the “Add to Cart” button on the right side of my publisher’s page. By Saturday, March 13th, the price will go back to $10 for the immediate download and Ebook versions. You won't be disappointed.
Best wishes, JP Sayles
Can we get a meeting going on
Can we get a meeting going on here? I'd love to have everyone in one place.
Let's just do it
I responded to another post to say that we should pick a time and place and then publicize to get others involved. I'm not sure where in NJ you are, but it's a big enough state that we will probably need several groups to cover it all. I'm willing to handle a facebook page that people can go to to get NJ information for meetings.
first impressions
I'm very impressed with the serious issues already being discussed here (Christie's budget, Menendez tea party recall, potential--but let's hope not necessary-- Lautenberg replacement, etc.) The NJ members are well informed and seem highly motivated to becoming involved in the coffeepartyusa initiative. I'm looking forward to seeing how the group organizes itself, schedules events, etc. and look forward to being an active participant.
Bob Menendez
I understand that a NJ Tea Party group is seeking to oust or have Bob Menendez recalled as senator of NJ. They need 1.3 million voter signatures in order to have the question placed on the ballot for voters to vote on the recall. All this because a minority of people (tea party group) have decided that they are dissatisfied with him. Check out the site below for the story. What can we do as a group to help?
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/03/02/bob-menendez-recall-drive_n_483...
No need to do anything--it ain't gonna happen
Based on this article, it doesn't look like we actually need to do anything, because what the TPers are trying to do is legally impossible. A senator can be kicked out by the Senate, but not recalled by the voters. So if they really want him out, they have to push for his expulsion by the Senate--purely on the grounds that he's cast some votes they don't like. I think the best thing to do is ignore this ludicrous publicity stunt, rather than giving it credibility by taking it seriously.
This is my understanding, also
In fact, IMO, it points to a defect in the Constitution.
Information is beautiful
http://www.informationisbeautiful.net/leftvright_world.html?c
NJTaxWatch.com
I think one of the key things we can support locally is energizing the NJ people against the brutal budget proposed by Chris Christie. Please go to NJTaxWatch.com and check it out, also please google what Christie wants to do to cut unemployment benefits (benefitting the owners of companies). We have a budget crisis, but the answer is not to attack schoolchildren, sick people, and the unemployed! I think the NJ Coffee Party could grab headlines if we take on this issue, and that would help educate people about what's going on.
taxwatch
Hi Vickyelse - I agree that Christie's cuts are paring essential services to the bone. However I think this is what you get with a "new blood" Repub governor these day - the Repub base wants "fiscal responsbility" which ultimately means less services for those who need it. I do consider myself to be a supporter of fiscal prudence - but for me that doesn't mean cuts across the board while at the same time reducing taxes on the highest income brackets. I think there has to be rational, realistic belt-tightening and that might mean reducing some public benefits - but I strongly believe that if we are to "put our fiscal house in order" that necessarily means a broad-based tax increase (as unpopular as that may be). slight increases in consumption taxes (gas, food, luxury, etc.) coupled with intellectually honest spending reduction can get NJ back on the right track. It won't happen overnight but something has to be done.
I agree that this is an issue that people to get behind but in order to do so I think we need to have a solid proposal - we can't simply hold our noses at budget cuts without offering an alternative. That's just my opinion of course, but that's why we're here, to get opinions out and refine them.
Regards,
nictsiz
Fiscal responsibility
You make a good point. Both sides say they stand for fiscal responsibility--but the right screams bloody murder at any suggestion of tax increases, and the left does the same for any kind of spending cuts. Well, something's gotta give, and chances are it will have to involve a combination of tax increases and spending cuts. The best you can do is try to target them both where they will do the least harm to those who can worst afford it. (Sorry about the double negative; what I mean is, try to put as much of the burden as possible on those who can best manage it.)
One thing that both left and right should agree on is efficiency
Why waste money, when you don't have to? This is one of the problems that I have the "healthcare" bill passed just recently by Congress. An extremely cost efficient way to deal with preventing flu is to give Vitamin D - a very cheap supplement, indeed. What does the bill do to encourage Vitamin D consumption? Nothing that I know of.
Of course, the public is still getting financially taken to the cleaners - we're paying about double what Europeans do on a per capita basis. This bill has very little in the way of cost control, and a public option, which would have helped, was never supported by Obama, regardless of what he said publicly. (His backstabbing on healthcare campaign promises was made public when Tauzin spilled the beans, afraid that Obama will renege on his backroom deal with Big Pharma. This was reported in the NY Times and LA Times, but neither the Democrats, nor Republicans made a big deal over it. Think about that, gentle reader, if you will).
So, I would advise looking past simplistic "raise taxes or cut benefits" false dichotomies. Rather, we should also look at how much laws are essentially legalizing the theft of the American tax payer - either directly, via higher disbursements by the government than are necessary (such as the infamous Medicare Part D "no bargain" clause, that made Tauzin a rich man, but betrayed the country) - or else indirectly, by forcing Americans to pay higher prices directly out of their pockets, to corporations.
I don't have hard data at the ready on this subject, but I believe that most Democrats, Republicans, and independents would favor cheap drug reimportation. (Yet another thing Obama campaigned on, but shows signs of reneging on. See, e.g., Dave Sirota's article "White House (Re)Commits to Pushing Drug Importation" at http://openleft.com/diary/16601/white-house-recommits-to-pushing-drug-im... ).
FR
havewrench - you definitely put a fine point on the matter. Now if we can come up with some proposals that make sense that might be something that attracts the right kind of attention. I'm not an accountant or a tax whiz so I'm hard pressed to come up with specifics - maybe someone else has given this some thought that can be vetted by those interested?
PRIORITIES
Great discussion! Here's where I come down on this--it's a matter of priorities first, budget second. I am not an accountant at all, either (I don't even HAVE an accountant), but I am a citizen and I know what's important to me. I focus on quality of life issues--where can the state government help, and where can't it? In order, for me, are education, infrastructure, and health. (The order wouldn't be exactly the same if I were talking about the federal government, and I'd love to hear if others share these priorities or not.)
Unfortunately, from my point of view, the state government in NJ (not just the Republican one, either) is more focused on making businesses happy, assuming that doing so will create jobs. Though that's a priority, it's not my top priority. I believe that educated, healthy, civic-minded citizens also attract jobs. It's not an either-or, but I feel like the balance has swung way too far in the business-coddling direction.
priorities
I think QOL issues are very important. For me, having quality of life is second only to having "life" so I rank healtchare as my most important issue. I appreciate the fact that the president has stepped up his involvement - I have sent emails to my Congressman (Pallone) and both Senators supporting the use of reconciliation to get the current bill passed. However, in NJ, the HC system remains vulnerable and I'm not sure that even the proposed national reforms will be enough to turn things around. If anyone is interested, in 2006 a blue-ribbon panel made a recommendation on state-based fixes (http://www.nj.gov/health/rhc/finalreport/documents/entire_finalreport.pdf) to the NJ HC system, though implementation hasn't happened yet. Hopefully national reform will spur some action in NJ that might make for positive change that we will all see.
After HC my next issue would be property taxes. My taxes aren't on the high end of the spectrum but the fact that NJ has the highest property taxes in the country and still faces tremendous deficits is incredible. How can the state continue to tax its citizens to the point of puapery and at the same time cut back essential services? I suppose these are easy questions to ask but there are no easy answers. I think you are on the right track that business seems to be the focus of tax breaks, ostensibly in hopes of attracting new business to NJ (or at least stopping the steady flow out of the state). But without a concerted effort to help the would-be employees be able to afford to live here it seems that wages get pushed up and the death spiral for businesses continues anew.
That was a bit of a rambling aside so my apologies. I would say for me it's HC, property taxes, and pension reform as the main three. I think they impact national politics indirectly by focusing on fiscal responsibility at home; maybe if our local and state politicians can be made to see the light then there will be a trickle-up effect. That's wishful thinking I'm sure but it seems like most any positive change is wishful thinking these days.
Property taxes
The problem with property taxes in New Jersey is simple to understand, difficult to fix. Like many other states, New Jersey uses property taxes to fund its school systems. The reason taxes are so high here is that New Jersey is the most densely populated state in the United States. Therefore, we have the least amount of land to tax per student. Until we look at another area of taxation to bear the brunt of education expense, property taxes will remain high. Cut those property taxes and then our children will receive a lesser education. It's fairly simple math.
While it's been made mention in other conversations that the federal government plays a bigger part in our lives today than the founding fathers might have imagined, they also didn't imagine professional politicians, whose primary job experience is in holding public office. Maybe one of the platforms of past conservative movements should be resurrected - the idea of term limits. The whole idea of seniority for members of the House and Senate being the determiner of power in committees is ludicrous - it does nothing more than encourage self-preservation rather than service. We won't get any of our priorities addressed until a radical change is undergone in Congress. The concepts of the Coffee Party will not be adopted by current politicians except through fear of losing their positions and that will only be a temporary change. We need to elect individuals with a commitment to shared leadership, which means not only engaging in dialogue, but also being willing to serve for a short time and then letting someone else hold office.
Absolutely. Politicians
Absolutely. Politicians should would on what is the best thing for their constituency not what will keep them in office longer.
get involved
Im a political science student away at college in upstate ny, and was just wondering how to get involved in new jersey.
letters
maybe just start by drafting a letter to congress from the NJ chapter, dealing with topics where we find common ground? Who is organizing all of this? would this have to be ok'ed by someone upstream, or should i start a thread outside of new jersey?
Is there a local leader?
Is there a local leader to CoffeePartyUSA in New Jersey who is organizing discussions and/or any potential meetings or events?
NJ Coffee Party
Hello NJ residents!
Interesting to see regional groups starting in DC and LA. How about NJ?
Enjoy your coffee this morning!
Lautenberg Successor
Frank Lautenberg has served NJ well. He is however sick and it is prudent to discuss his potential successor with an eye to having input to the policy issues front and center for 2010 and beyond. At least 2 members of Congress are interested in replacing him both with credentials in Healthcare- Frank Pallone and Rob Andrews.
What about PALLONE?
Andrews seems to have no core beliefs at all. I like Pallone. Otherwise, we need some new, liberal blood!
Christie
God forbid something happens to Lautenberg, Christie gets to choose a replacement I believe
Thank you for this...
As a fellow citizen who feels the tea party does not necessarily reflect my views, as well as being pretty fed up with the actions of both of the major parties, I am happy the there is a movement stirring concerned with putting people first.
Huffington Post
Anxious to see the activity uptick after the Huffington Post article.